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John

Great review. It really takes the mickey out of these two pompous windbags and their towers of babel.

Michael

The essay was surprisingly long and generous, as you say. An excellent introduction to the book, which unfortunately must be on next year's reading list.

I found this interesting: "I readily agree that something important is contracted in the name of Jesus, that this name harbors a marvelous mysterious event, a monstrous monstration, a perplexing paradoxical poetics. All this I locate in the reversals that mark the Kingdom of God, where the first are last, the outsiders are in and the insiders are out. But I do not see that this marvel must amount to either Žižek's void or Milbank's metaphysics of participation. Rather the marvel is the promise/risk of mercy and love, of compassion and forgiveness, and that is all we know on earth and all we need to know. Does anyone really think the Sermon on the Mount has anything to do with any of this bombastic metaphysical tilting and jousting?"

Caputo here sounds almost like the caricatures of Mennonites I hear and read from non-Mennonites. That's both a good and unfortunate thing. But given his actual view of Christian orthodoxy, doesn't that make his critique of Zizek a bit ironic? "He discusses Christian doctrines like the Trinity, the Incarnation and the Crucifixion the way an analyst talks with a patient who thinks there is a snake under his bed, trying patiently to heal the patient by going along with the patient's illusions until the patient is led to see the illusion."

Barry R

Interesting, generous review from Caputo, even if it seemed to me to say nothing especially new (anyone familiar with C's work could have predicted this would be his evaluation of both M and Z). But it was useful of him to do it, and thanks for posting it.

John, it would seem M and Z are not the only pompous windbags. Indeed, perhaps your own brand of pompous windbaggedness is the more dangerous...

John

Nice one Barry!

Mike L.

Zizek is a much needed prophetic voice for Christianity. I'm puzzled by Caputo's statement...

"Why not adopt the post-metaphysical idea that gives up searching for all such primordial underlying somethings or other?"

Isn't this basically what Zizek suggests in his brand of atheistic Christianity? I call it Post-belief Christianity, and I tend to like it.

Jeremy

While it might be true that Caputo and Zizek have some agreement when it comes to Christianity (e.g. interpretation of the cross as Zizek makes notes of in Monstrosity of Christ), Caputo has continually attacked radical death-of-God theology throughout his career as being decidedly atheistic. Also, one of Zizek's primary opponents in his political project is deconstruction and its adherents who have given up on metaphysics. Zizek (along with Badiou) does not want to do away with metaphysics. I also believe that Zizek would not be in favor of something like 'post-belief' Christianity that sounds way more along the lines of Spong/Cupitt (i.e. liberal theology) than the type of analysis Zizek pursues. Somewhere, he argues that this understanding that we live in an age of cynicism where nobody believes anything anymore is in fact a myth that he argues against.

Arty Morty

My yeast is rising...

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