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October 14, 2009

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Steve Allison

Many great thoughts here Eric. I was initially attracted to your post because, similar to you, our group meets in a school gym. We've been there 3 and 1/2 years now. The new building almost done. We split from an established church where most of the 300 of us had been for an average of I'd guess twenty years. The experience has revealed a number of things to me and I'd recommend it to anyone. There is a certain purity of purpose. It seems elemental. Starting over helped us to reevaluate why and what we do. We are not doing things necessarily because that is the way we have always done it. We constructed a worship service approach and it has evolved that seems to work for our group. There is still a heightened sense of joy and identity and energy.

Eric Speece

Steve,

Thanks for the comment. It's good to hear that others have found the same situation to be life-giving.

Benjamin Lee

I appreciate your thoughts on this issue and I think that liturgical renewal is one of the most critical conversations that the contemporary church must have.

I really like the observation that “the Church, because of its liturgy is the ‘central workshop of the human City, a City which under grace has already begun to mutate by fits and starts into the City-of-God-in-the-making, the focal point of the world made new in Christ Jesus.’” This seems to cut right to the heart of the conversation concerning the churches role in “public” discourse (as well as Milbank’s argument that the public/private category is a false dichotomy).

However, I wonder about the logic you employ in connecting the above observation with the move your church made into the YMCA. I’m not questioning the fact that this move is one way to embody the vision of the church as being the “central workshop of the human City.” But you began the article with what seemed to be different reasons and motivations. It seemed that you were arguing that such a move is a justified way to combat complacency. This makes me wonder what will happen when your current situation inevitably becomes “comfortable, familiar, and controlled”?

The main reason I bring this up is because it seems that before we talk about complacency, we ought to talk about the character formation that cultivates such complacency within its parishioners. Put another way, is our complacency the fruit of the contemporary culture’s infatuation with novelty, which then hinders our ability to interact meaningfully with the familiar and the mundane things that Gordon Lathrop highlights?

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